Hey y'all,
This is going to be my last post period, except for answering some previous posts, so I will make it as conclusive as possible. First of all, I am not debating the willof God, I am debating what is RIGHT and what is WRONG. God sometimes uses horrible people with horrible causes to further his goal, like he used the NAZIS, he used the Yankee Empire in the WNA. A wrong cause with a wrong view point to win for HIS glory, wich in many ways means making the world a PURTY doggone bad place to live. About "Uncle Tom's Cabin" stowe never travveld to the South, nor had ever seen a plantation being run, it was an emotional work, designed as a propoganda tool for abolitionists such as John Brown. You say that the South was wrong because it had the institution of slavery, hate to break it to you, but so did the north. The yankees had slaves till 1870 in some places, and the late 1860's in others. You also said that the South had an aristocoracy systemn, so does every nation, even the modern US. I have already proved the validity of Secession, via the COnstitution, and with the Constitution being the law of the land, not the politicians, treason cannot be cast as a reason of the South being right. The slavery issue was NEVER a part of the war, as the Emancipation Proclomation NEVER freed ANY slaves, at ANY time. It was a political ploy, designed to make sure the South was alone is her gallant struggle for Southern Independance. Also the false myth of Lincoln being in favour of Civil Rights was completely misguided, read his DouglasLincoln debates, see what a racist he was. The South had both the majority of the Godly men, it had the Righteouss cause, and it had the Political right in the War. There fore I must conclude that The South Was Right!
Like Patriots of old, may us Southerners continue to shout SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS to the enemies of God and the South, we SHALL rise again!
DEO VINDICE!

R.G Miller

The Four Centuries:

Do you know why the North won? I don't know why. We could debate about totally different ways why the North won. It all comes down to God's plan. The question is was it God's plan that the North win or the South win. Just because the South had godly people doesn't mean it was right. The South was asking for freedom from their "enemies" from the North. The North (in some ways) was asking God for reunifications. If the South had won there would still be slavery (and believe me there still IS slavery go to the Rebelution blog). I can vouch that the North was less godly than the South but I do think God used the North to bring the South back together so we could go through WWI and II. I also think God used that so that we would become a Nazi like nation. The end of the world IS coming. I think God's timing was perfect with the Civil War. We could speculate all day but the future is what we are looking too.

randy 

I heard Richard "Little Bear" Wheeler say one time that the Civil War is too weighty and confusing a war to argue about! It will eventually make you crazy.

randy

Well, argueing with yankees will eventually do that. I believer there are valid arguements on either side, depending on your belifes. If you love freedom, and an Republic of SOverign Republics, go for the SOuth. If you are an imperialist, a statist, a communist, or a Dictator, go for the North. Or you can just be confused and tought wrong your whole life, like many are.

RG

You are saying the South reached nivana! Your saying it was right in every way! That is wrong and until you get out of that mindset you will NOT be able to look at the war clearly.

randy - the Builder's builder

The charge of John Brown is fact. Tell me, isn't it SOMEWHAT of a coincidence that all the Godly men fought on the "wrong" side and all of the scumbags fought on, and presided over, the "right" side?

I never said thatthe SOuth was right in every way, i am saying that is was in the RIght in the war. I think slavery was an INSPEAKABLE wrong, but for the SOutherners at that time, it was unnavoidable, and with the same institution up north, and WORSE racism up ther, it is a null and void issue.

RG

Slavery was not an "unavoidable" issue. Britian did it in 1833. It was the point that the South didn't WANT to do until around 1858. By then it was to late because the Civil War was already in motion. They were indecisive. The Dred Scott issue has the North saying about the South, "the South was wanting to have slaves with no third party telling them what to do."

randy

By the way the South will not rise again. Look at the EU. Look at the army of 2 million (as described in Revelation) in China. We are heading for a New World order that will consolidate the whole world for the anti-christ. I agree that the South will probably be the one to be the most resistive against that but it's going to happen, Scripture says it will happen. It's just a matter of when it will happen.

randy

WesleySonofCornelius:

Lady Abigail:

Why do you have "man" in quotes? They were real men and the Southerners viewed them as such. 

Yes, they were real men (and women and children).  But being a Southerner myself, I am sad that my ancestors took the rights from other men and owned them.

Hmmmm, being a Christian myself I can also be sad that my ancestors (Moses, Abraham, etc) took rights from other men and owned them.....

I'm not necessarily advocating slavery, but have you every read what God has to say about it? Just a thought.
 

In the first few books, God sets up laws for INDENTURED servants. But they always obtained their freedom after a certain time.

The Four Centuries:

Unless ya'll (yes I'm southern!) argue from original documents like letters and books people wrote about Lincoln, Lee, and Grant who actually knew him and lived durning that time you will get no where. The Real Lincoln is bunk just about. Lincoln's political agenda was not very perfect at all but not like the south would have you believe it would. For example: Grant smoke and drank but I have read accounts that he smoked 20 PACKS of cigars a day not 20 cigarettes but 20 PACKS. Who would smoke 20 packs a day! That is utterly illogical and can be disproven only if you read what people during his time wrote about him and the letters wrote about him. Newspapers during that time are the worst things you can read to get your information. I never read old Harper's Weekly documents or any other paper. They were too biased towards the side they were on.

Go back to the letter's and old documents and you will find that not only did the south have good men (godly men for that reason!) but that the North also had many godly men (Joshua Chamberlain being one, my especial favorite and Gen. Jackson being my most favorite southern general). This subject is like trying to bring Calvinist and Armenians to an understanding.

Randy - the Builder's builder

 

I am the product of Calvinists and Armenians brought to an understanding! I am neither one nor the other but in the middle. But that's beside the point...

I have studied original documents. I have also read books written by historians who included original docs in their work. I've never heard that about Grant, but what does him smoking too much have to do with Lincoln's political agenda?

The North did indeed have godly men on their side. This is something that I have yet to fully understand. I just don't get how a wise, godly man could be so terribly mistaken! But I guess we do still see it today. Even strong, Christian men can and will be wrong sometimes.

ACBookworm:

In the first few books, God sets up laws for INDENTURED servants. But they always obtained their freedom after a certain time.

UNLESS they were foreign...