That Loud Boom You Just Heard ...

Posted Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:59 PM by Joe Napalm

... Was my mind slapping shut.

Today, I have writer's block -- or maybe it's writer's don't-give-a-pooh. There is so, so much to write about, but I just don't care. I think I have the blahs because of the looming Mexican amnesty bill.

But there is an interesting discussion going on in the Son of Liberty forums (click the link in the margin) about the Civil War. I have kept my distance and read from the sidelines because I haven't had anything to add. Today, I have something. And here it is:

There was a movement in England in the late 1700s to abolish the transatlantic trade of slaves. The conditions on the ships and at the ports were atrocious. Families were divided; men, women and children were shackled together in the 'tween decks for months; and large numbers of humans died terrible deaths of starvation and infection. Anti-slavery politician and Christian, William Wilberforce [link], said, "So enormous, so dreadful, so irremediable did the [slave] trade's wickedness appear that my own mind was completely made up for abolition. Let the consequences be what they would: I from this time determined that I would never rest until I had effected its abolition."

Since the beginning of the United States, the issue of slavery has been debated. Many of our founding fathers recognized that it was a contradiction to say that all men were born free with rights bestowed by God, yet they continued to own slaves that drove the horrible transatlantic market (see George Washington).

We can debate until we're blue in the face what the Civil War was really about. We can attempt to reason like a 19th Century citizen of the U.S., or we can look at our ancestors and judge them in light of 21st-Century reason. But one thing we can't dispute is that the war was the beginning of the end of the transatlantic atrocity.

Maybe Wesley is right when he says that God was for neither side. God's Word doesn't say that slavery is wrong. In fact, God has commands for slaves. But he also has specific guidelines for masters of slaves; and killing them on the high seas in their own *** breaks his rules. Unfortunately, it took a war between fellow countrymen to effect abolition in the U.S.

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# re: That Loud Boom You Just Heard ...

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:45 PM by Joe Napalm

The "***" is f-e-c-e-s. The filter blocked it.

# re: That Loud Boom You Just Heard ...

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:07 PM by Fluffy Cow

Thank you.  Well said.

# re: That Loud Boom You Just Heard ...

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:59 PM by Bahnsen8

The issue of slavery as a motivation for the North did not come up until after the war was well underway. It was a necessary moral motivator for recruitment, not a truly held moral belief of our precious Mr. Lincoln.

I am so glad that slavery was ended via the unCivil War, but I will NEVER allow that to be used as a justification for the War. That's like the surgeon saying to the dead patient's family, "Well, I got all the cancer during the operation." The utterly tragic usurpation of freedom perpetrated on our country by the tyrants of the North, headed up by the great bigot himself, Abraham Lincoln, makes the wickedness of King George II and Parliament look like a kid's cartoon lampoon. The principles that animated the founders of our great nation were almost totally destroyed by that horrendous wickedness most call the Civil War. I am hopeful that the truth will rise again, so we can regain even greater heights of freedom than we have ever known as a nation.

# re: That Loud Boom You Just Heard ...

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:15 PM by :o)}

Wow!  I can't believe there are people who still wanting to fight the Civil War all over again!  The people of East Tennessee and Western North Carolina couldn't afford and didn't need slaves.  They grew their own corn and turned it into liquid ;o)  They didn't want to secede in the first place.  Atrocities like the Shelton Laurel Massacre perpetrated by Confederate occupiers:

hilltop.mhc.edu/.../rena%20shelton.asp

caused men like my Great Grandfather to enlist in the Union Army.  They knew that saving the Union was worth any sacrifice.  And thank God it was!  Abraham Lincoln was one of the greatest, if not the greatest President this nation has ever had.  BTW, he was very likely the son of a western North Carolina man:

www.carolinacountry.com/.../abe.html

:o)}

# re: That Loud Boom You Just Heard ...

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:17 PM by fleur_de_lis

I read the forum, and passions are running high! This poor midwesterner would get trampled underfoot if I raised my head in there! Yoo-hoo! I like you guys, your states, your food, your values, your morals, your sense of humor. I realize you are very well read, well informed, and fervid in the defense of your beliefs. But you make me feel like the enemy! Truce?

Bahnsen8--what do you think would be different today in our country if the South had won? Just curious.

# re: That Loud Boom You Just Heard ...

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:46 PM by Bahnsen8

Abraham Lincoln has been portrayed in the history books as a great President. He was a great leader and strategist, a sly tactician, and a ruthless enemy, but he was no defender of freedom. Abraham Lincoln used his personal gestapo to FORCEFULLY shut down over 300 Northern newspapers who did not publish according to his liking. Abraham Lincoln FORCEFULLY REMOVED elected officials from the Maryland legislature and replaced them with men OF HIS OWN CHOOSING who would vote according to his demands. This is just a tiny fraction of the condemning evidence regarding this rapacious harpie disguised as a freedom loving angel at war for men of all color. Please!

If you are willing to dig even a tiny smidge beneath the surface, as I have, you will see that he was motivated by a political philosophy absolutely contrary to fundamental ideas of freedom championed by truly great men like Washington, Henry and Boudinot. Lincoln does not even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with such great and honest men.

I do not want to fight the Civil War all over again. No Southerner wanted to fight in the first place. Please remember that it was the North that was the aggressor invading the peace-loving and sovereign land of the nation of Virginia. The Confederacy contained wicked men, just like any other nation, as I am sad to see that your Great Grandfather endured, but the wickedness of those men does not change the moral philosophies at play in the war. The North was the agent of imperial evil destroying the hard-fought principles of the first War for Independence and the South vainly tried to salvage these principles of freedom.

You are greatly decieved to think that Lincoln saved the Union, as if having a union of States was the reason we fought the War for Independence. Please! Do some homework and you will see that the reason the founders fought was for freedom from tyranny, not a unity of states. That is an absolutely absurd idea always pandered in the revisionist text books.

Fleur, unfortunately, this debate seems to be permanently connected to regional alliances, but it should not be so. The ideas of freedom were not so regional during the War for Independence, and they should not be today. Regardless of where you were born, if you love freedom, you will see that the underlying moral and political philosophy that animated Lee, Jackson, and Jefferson is the way of freedom that also fired the hearts of Washington, Henry and Jefferson.

Another way people often use to try and justify the rapacious harpies of the North is what I will call the "outcome argument." Summed up, it says the world is better because the North won, so the war was justified. This is ungodly pragmatism which should be condemned by any Christian who understands that a priori is God's Word, not man's feeble attempts to measure outcomes, as if we could do an adequate job of this anyway.

Whew, I think I am finished for now. Don't get me going again, please, I have to tuck the kids in.

# re: That Loud Boom You Just Heard ...

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 10:33 PM by WesleySonofCornelius

Great post, Joe.

# re: That Loud Boom You Just Heard ...

Wednesday, June 27, 2007 12:19 AM by corder5

Yes, great post.  Did you get to see the movie, "Amazing Grace"?  I'm no Wilberforce expert, but I thought it was well done.

# re: That Loud Boom You Just Heard ...

Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:18 AM by Bahnsen8

Yes, great post.

# re: That Loud Boom You Just Heard ...

Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:13 AM by BJ not BK

Are you referring to the "War of Northern Aggression" :-)

# The Civil War did nothing to end slavery

Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:09 AM by BJ Not BK

Joe has a great discussion going on over at Son of Liberty [ link] as it relates to the Civil War. I

# re: That Loud Boom You Just Heard ...

Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:38 PM by FloridaCracker

Anyone know how to give a Rebel Yell on the Internet? Because I wont to give a big one for Bahnsen8 :D. I wish Iwould of discovered the Blog Earlier, you are pinning the revisionist history down, and don't let up, Mr. Clark :D. Yes, BJ not BK, he is talking about the War of Northern  Aggression. Yes I agree, while the Southern People are a disticn people and culture, we should not be only involved on regional influence only, there are some good copperheads out there :D. Yes, join our little discussion, It has kind of died, in the last few minutes.

SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!

DEO VINDICE!

R.G. Miller

Alturas, [Occupied] Florida, C.S.A.

Federal Occupation Code - 33820

# re: That Loud Boom You Just Heard ...

Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:09 PM by Bahnsen8

Thanks, R.G. :D

# re: That Loud Boom You Just Heard ...

Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:33 PM by Lady Abigail

I need to check in here more often! Fantastic comments, Bahnsen8! Keep it up!

# re: That Loud Boom You Just Heard ...

Tuesday, July 03, 2007 2:09 PM by Bahnsen8

Thank you, Lady Abigail. Arguing the case for secession is one of the single best ways to try and regain some of our lost freedoms. Once this right is peacefully re-established through appointed legislative means, EVERYTHING in American politics will change, EVERYTHING.